2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

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Post  The Jeff on Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:25 am

Firstly... awesome site. It's about time we had a database this complete.

As for the uniform correction - look at the 1's on Janikowski's jersey here:


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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  Rob Holecko on Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:51 am

Ah, I see you beat me to it....

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Post  timmyb on Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:12 am

Hey, The Jeff

Welcome aboard. Yes, that is a correction! Do you if that font applies to the black Legacy jersey, too?

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Post  The Jeff on Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:28 am

No, the black jerseys used the regular font. The only difference was the AFL patch.
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Post  Rob Holecko on Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:28 am


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Post  The Jeff on Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:46 am

....and apparently the name font.

So... as far as corrections needed, just the numbers on the white jersey. The black jersey is correct.

If Madden 10 is to be believed, the shade of silver on the pants is slightly different between the regular and throwback, but I never saw any noticeable difference on the field. If we really want to get technical, at some point in their history (I'm not sure which year) they switched from matte light grey pants to the more glossy metallic silver... but with the graphics of the template I'm not sure how you'd be able to represent that, if you can even pinpoint the year.


/I'm not trying to be nitpicky, really...

Slightly OT... I was noticing on a few teams that the order the uniforms are shown in could be a little bit misleading... The Lions black alts being the first uniform shown, for example. You might consider re-ordering them by how often they were actually used.
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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  Bill Schaefer on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:09 am

Fixed. Rob will have it tomorrow. This makes me wonder about the 1994 Throwbacks. They played Week 3 @ Denver (white jerseys), Week 4 vs SD (black jerseys), and Week 10 @ KC (white jerseys) but Getty has no pics of any of the 3 games.

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I do have an auction picture of a Tim Brown '94 throwback that shows the 1 with the shaved top left corner - not the boxed top like '09. I'd put it on here but I'm having trouble loading the image. What do I need to do?

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We did that with the Seahawks when they 'glossed' them up going from 1989 to 1990. If could locate a specific year, I'm sure we could do the same with the Raiders.


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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  Rob Holecko on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:11 am

Bill just type the URL in the message -- I'll fix it if it doesn't show up... Or e-mail it to me and I'll put in in your message
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Post  Bill Schaefer on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:16 am

Let me try this...



OK that just created a link to it. How do I get the pic into the post like you guys did? I downloaded that Ilivid. What choice do I use?


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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  The Jeff on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:21 am

Bill Schaefer wrote:Let me try this...


OK that just created a link to it. How do I get the pic into the post like you guys did? I downloaded that Ilivid. What choice do I use?

1994's uniform was a joke, from an accuracy standpoint. I've got a few football cards from that year I can take pictures of if you really need proof. Regular number font, regular name font, no thick outlines, and of course that stupid white shield. 1994's image looks accurate to me.
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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  Rob Holecko on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:26 am

Well it's possible they are both right... The nfl.com article about the 09 throwbacks says the Raiders are wearing "1963 season: White (away) jersey features silver numbers outlined in black; silver helmet with original Raiders logo." and here is a picture of Clancy Osborne who played from 1963-65 (don't know what year the picture is from)



so either the 1994 were from a different year, or they were just lazy and in 2009 they were more sure of being accurate.

Is it possible they had the square numbers in 1963 (which the 2009 throwback depcited) and the rounded numbers in 1964 (which the 1994 throwback depcited)?

Do we need to update the 1963 numbers (or 1964) or both or neither?
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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  Rob Holecko on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:27 am

Bill, use bracket-img-bracket
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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  Bill Schaefer on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:37 am

Let's try this...


YES!


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Post  The Jeff on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:43 am

Given the white shield of 1994, I'd chalk it up as lazy. I had a similar discussion on another board back when they announced 2009's throwback uniforms.

As far as I'm aware, '63 and '64 had the thick outlined squared numbers (so those also need fixed). 1970 and 1994's throwback used the thinner outlined angled numbers.

Here's the 1970 version:



It's hard to tell on the sleeve number, but you can see the front number has the angle on it. Although... given the inconsistencies of uniforms in that era, it's hard to say if *all* 1's were the same or not. We've seen plenty of shots from the 60's & 70's where 2 players on the same team will have varied fonts.
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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  Bill Schaefer on Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:09 pm

Tim maintained that he had proof that the back numbers in 1970 DID have the boxed tops. That's how we have them currently. Let us know if you can find some 1970 "back-side 1's."
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Re: 2009 Oakland Raiders (and possibly '63-'64)

Post  The Jeff on Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:10 pm

Nice to see the 2009 fix... make sure you revise '63 and '64 too. Those are both still showing the angled 1's
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