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Post  slats7 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:57 pm

Great website overall. I've got some issues with how the pants are shaded in your 60s and 70s graphics, but for now I'll address some 80s issues.

Ring around the collar

In 1979 and 1980, the Cowboys sported a white ring around the collar on the royal blue road jerseys.









1981 road unis

The Cowboys used two road jerseys this season. The initial one looked like this:



Later in the season, the front and back uni numbers were slightly modified so they'd be easier to see.



This is basically the road uni design they'd use for the next several years.

Green pants

You contend that 1989 was the "coming out party" for the greenish pants, but photographic evidence says otherwise. Specifically, I have 1986 in mind.

If you look at the 1987 Topps set, which depicts game action from the 1986 season, the greenish tint is clearly evident.







Dallas at Detroit (1986):



Dorsett and Walker PR photo from 1986 or 1987:



Dallas at Chicago (1988):



Danny White's pants from the 1988 season:



BTW, 1986 is the year the uni numbers ballooned in size, as if they were on steroids, so it's not inconceivable that they decided to tweak the pants that year as well.
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Post  timmyb on Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:50 am

Many thanks, slats7.

Especially for the white collar on the 79-80 blue jerseys.

Bill and I will certainly be discussing these finds. We kindly ask for your patience in seeing these revisions to the site as Bill had a pretty long "to-do" list right now.

Looking forward to any additional revisions you may think the Cowboys need! Thanks again.

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Post  slats7 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:51 pm

timmyb wrote:Many thanks, slats7.

Especially for the white collar on the 79-80 blue jerseys.

Bill and I will certainly be discussing these finds. We kindly ask for your patience in seeing these revisions to the site as Bill had a pretty long "to-do" list right now.

Looking forward to any additional revisions you may think the Cowboys need! Thanks again.

No rush. I'll wait my place in line. Wink

Any reason why you noted the name of the uni manufacturer (Reebok, Nike) for some seasons but not others?
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Post  Bill Schaefer on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:55 pm

I'll take this one. Very Happy

We only felt the need to display ones that were visible...on the sleeves or on the hip of the pants. Prior to around 1990, most manufacturer's logos were only on tags (like the Danny White tag) in non-visible places - shirttails (tucked in) or small of the back inside pants.

In an effort to be authentic, we felt the need to display them when they showed. In order to protect ourselves (from 'THE MAN') we enlarged the images of the logos to give credit - kinda like footnotes.

The logos we've used include Reebok and Nike as well as Russell, Adidas, Logo Athletic, Wilson, Wilson/Staff, Macgregor, Starter, Apex, Champion, and Puma.
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Post  Bill Schaefer on Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:12 pm

Thanks for the additions/changes.

It'll take us a while longer to come to a judgement on the pants situation.

Is there any chance you can ID when the navy jersey changed in 1981? For instance. they wore the original in Week _#__ vs __X__ but the next time they wore the navy in Week _#___ vs __X__ they had changed to the new version.

That would be a big help for when we get to the weekly matchups that far back.

By the way, as a non-Cowboys fan, I always liked the navy unis better than the whites - all the blues MATCH! What a concept! Shocked
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Post  slats7 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:05 am

Bill Schaefer wrote:Thanks for the additions/changes.

It'll take us a while longer to come to a judgement on the pants situation.

Okay.

Is there any chance you can ID when the navy jersey changed in 1981? For instance. they wore the original in Week _#__ vs __X__ but the next time they wore the navy in Week _#___ vs __X__ they had changed to the new version.

That would be a big help for when we get to the weekly matchups that far back.

The original debuted at RFK on September 6.



They wore them again in St. Louis on October 4.



The modified unis first appeared in Baltimore on December 6, and two weeks later at the Meadowlands on December 19. Here's Charlie Waters' uni from those December road games. The blue trim around the numbers is obviously what separates it from its predecessor:



By the way, as a non-Cowboys fan, I always liked the navy unis better than the whites - all the blues MATCH! What a concept! Shocked

Yes, that's the saving grace of the road unis: color uniformity. I choke whenever someone says the home white are "classic" and shouldn't be touched. Truth is, they haven't been classic for like 30 years. The helmet, maybe, but nothing else. The hideous, non-traditional green pants infuriate me to no end.
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Dallas at Giants 12/19/81

Post  bigbluelarry on Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:36 am

One of the best (and coldest) games I've ever been to!

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Dallas at Giants 11/9/80.

Post  bigbluelarry on Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:41 am

Here are the Cowboys blue uniforms from the previous season - I like these much better. The blues are coordinated, and the pants aren't that greenish/blue.

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Post  Bill Schaefer on Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:10 am

Thanks for the big assist, slats7. That helps muy mucho! Very Happy

Another question for you...
A few months ago I came across a collection of NFL patches by a seller on ebay

All evidence I can find says the 'Boys never wore the blue "25" star. True or false?
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Post  slats7 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:07 pm

Bill Schaefer wrote:Thanks for the big assist, slats7. That helps muy mucho! Very Happy

Another question for you...
A few months ago I came across a collection of NFL patches by a seller on ebay.

All evidence I can find says the 'Boys never wore the blue "25" star. True or false?

True. The cheerleaders might have worn something like that, but definitely not the players.
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Post  slats7 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:11 pm

bigbluelarry wrote:Here are the Cowboys blue uniforms from the previous season - I like these much better. The blues are coordinated, and the pants aren't that greenish/blue.


Truth be told, I was getting sick of that look, especially with the so-called "jinx" hanging over the team. The pants got waaaay too blue in those latter years (almost Oiler blue), and the royal blue jerseys didn't exactly match the navy stripes and star on the helmets. They needed a shakeup, and Tex Schramm delivered.
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80's Pants

Post  Bill Schaefer on Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:34 pm

slats7,
I did some digging this AM on the pants. See what you think...
You version that the pants became 'greenish' in 86 instead of '89 where we have them debutting.
1st 1985 prior to your 'greening'


Now 1986 is the same style (hip numbers) and could possibly be a bit more blue but is that due to the bright sunshine?


1987 seems to be the same as '86


1988 the same


In 1989 they not only abandoned the hip numbers but the pants are less blue than the previous years (start of the greenish tinge?)


Seems most likely to me that they changed to the greenish tinge when they went to the new pants w/o the hip numbers rather than the same exact style with hip numbers from 85 to 86.
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Post  slats7 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:15 pm

Bill Schaefer wrote:slats7,
I did some digging this AM on the pants. See what you think...
You version that the pants became 'greenish' in 86 instead of '89 where we have them debutting.
1st 1985 prior to your 'greening'


Now 1986 is the same style (hip numbers) and could possibly be a bit more blue but is that due to the bright sunshine?


1987 seems to be the same as '86


1988 the same


In 1989 they not only abandoned the hip numbers but the pants are less blue than the previous years (start of the greenish tinge?)


Seems most likely to me that they changed to the greenish tinge when they went to the new pants w/o the hip numbers rather than the same exact style with hip numbers from 85 to 86.

I disagree. Under certain lighting conditions, the green pants can appear blue, bluish, or a color decidedly non-green.























In this MNF game from 1987, the greenish tint is observable (to me):



Dallas at New England, 1987:



Those Danny White pants from '88, photographed under ideal lighting conditions, are definitely not metallic blue, so that right there trumps the 1989 theory. I honestly don't see a big difference between the 1986-88 pants and 1989 pants other than the hip numbers.
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Post  WE WANT DALLAS! on Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:40 pm

Hope it's OK to add to this thread instead of making a new one.   I'm discussing the Cowboys pants colors beyond the 80s.

Anyway, this is one of the many mysteries behind the Dallas Cowboys. What color are the home pants, exactly?  It has fascinated me since I first noticed it around 2001.  I've done some pretty in-depth research into the color schemes and fabrics and such, and here's what I've found.  It turns out the reason for all this may go back to the late 70s when Tex Schramm began tweaking the uniforms so they'd look the best on TV.
http://theendzone.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-cowboys-uniform-dish.html (Interesting link with some history behind the Cowboys in general.)
The pants were to feature a modern, "shiny" fabric to complement the helmets.  The closest available shiny fabric color to the helmets was silver-gray.  So the silver "disco pants" were introduced with the blue jerseys in 1981.  The next year, the light blue pants appeared to be made of shiny material.  However, as the above link suggests, they looked shiny in front, and flat in the back (sort of like the 49ers in the 60s).  This, and the fact that shiny and stretchy material wasn't yet available in light blue, may have led to their odd choice of colors later on.

The "silver-green" home pants first seen in 1986 were probably the first with "metallic" dyes.  I believe that, from the existing metallic inks, the team chose the one closest to cyan, a light greenish blue common in printing.  As a primary color, it seemed purer and stronger, especially on color TV at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model
In the late 80s the silver-green really didn't look so bad.  But as the Colorwerx blog describes it, the advent of "blended metallics" may have altered the color starting in 1991.
http://colorwerx.blogspot.com/2010/10/dallas-cowboys-nfl-team-colors.html
These blended metallics involved a cyan base ink with metallic silver particles on the surface.
https://edliveshere.com/content/metallics/4/general_characteristics_of_metallic_inks/
Many blues, like cyan, look greenish when darkened or grayed.  So, depending on the lighting, the color could look very green.


The real mystery to me is the way the silver-green has appeared since 2001.  If I remember right, the greenish tint became a lot more noticeable that year, when Reebok became the uniform supplier for most of the league.
2000

2001

2002

I've looked through the Pantone metallic colors, and I just don't see how the official color as known (Pantone Metallic 8280 C), could look so different than it used to.
http://rgb.to/pantone/metallic/page/1
I guess that either they changed their Pantone color (perhaps to 8300 C?),  or began using a custom color (like the Seahawks did for their metallic blue around that same time).  Finally, in 2010, a team spokesman was quoted as saying the greenish color was noticable in person as well as on high-definition TV, and that they would experiment with different colors.  I can't really explain why the Cowboys would stick with green after all these years.

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