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Possible Oddity/Goof

Post  Market42 on Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:08 pm

Was looking at some pictures from the Sports Ecyclopedia site on the Baltimore Colts (treated as separate from Indianapolis).

Notice something missing from Curtis Dickey's helmet?
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/balticolts/DickeyBal.jpg

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Post  Rob Holecko on Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:53 pm

That reminds me of the Seahawks football card picture where they airbrushed out the helmet logo.
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Joe Washington

Post  Market42 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:47 pm

Notice the back of Joe Washington's jersey during a huddle in the 1982 NFC Championship game and spotted that the name font was not in the serif lettering the Redskins used at that time. The PowerDVD program I have on this used laptop I got for Christmas apparently doesn't have a "capture feature" (will grab picture from one I know has that feature).

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1990 Bills

Post  Bill Schaefer on Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:59 pm

I think the thing with the Bills was that everyone on the team started with the 2-stripe models but most players elected to cut the sleeves shorter by removing the bottom stripe. This is similar to something the Lions did as well as a few other teams that I cannot think of at the moment. If I recall, 4 or 5 teams did this around the early 90s.
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1988 49ers at the Super Bowl vs Cincinnati

Post  Bill Schaefer on Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:28 pm

I can't take credit for spotting this one but I can't for the life of me find where I discovered it. Maybe it was in BLEACHER REPORT or something.

Anyway, the story goes that Mrs. Montana packed the jersey Joe wore in their Super Bowl XIX victory over the Dolphins in January 1985 in his suitcase as a 'good luck' gesture. Well, Joe took it one step further and wore the jersey for the game!

In 1988, the Niners change their jerseys slightly by narrowing the stripes, shortening the sleeves and introducing a serifed font for the nameplate.

In looking for photos, I have since noticed that more than just Joe wore the older jerseys. The difference between the sets of sleeve stripes is very easy to notice.

Here are Roger Craig, John Taylor, and Jerry Rice wearing the new 1988 models...




Here's Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, and Riki Ellison (#50) wearing the older jerseys...




*** - This is going to lead to an update for the 1980-1995 Niners in terms of the sleeve stripes due to the fact that the currently displayed stripes for this time period a) reflect no change in 1988 and b) don't reflect accurately the stripes used from either the 1980-87 (wide stripes/elbow-length sleeves) or the 1988-1995 (thin stripes/bicep-lentgh sleeves) varieties. Stay Tuned for the update.
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Speaking of oddities in this picture...

Post  Market42 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:54 pm

Bill Schaefer wrote:Kent Hull (#67) liked his 1989 pants sooooo much, he kept wearing them even to the 1992 Super Bowl (in 1993). No wonder they lost by 100 pts! Shocked

That's not the only oddity in this picture. One that I thought had been mentioned was Jim Kelly wearing an Apex jersey instead of the usual Champion uniforms Buffalo wore at that time? Any idea what that was about wearing a different supplier's jersey?

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  John C on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:40 am

timmyb wrote:
Washington had a Kelley model hemet that he wore at Oklahoma and kept that helmet his whole career. Supposedly, the Kelley helmet had a clear shell in which the colors and logos were painted on from the inside. Since changing the Skins logo from the striaght feathers to the curled feathers, I guess the Redskins equipment guys just let it go, and got the OK from the NFL.


No, he didn't use the same helmet his whole career; you can't repaint those clear shells on the inside once they are done. But Joe Washington did use Kelley helmets his whole career (well, maybe in college it was still a MacGregor - Kelley bought the helmet when MacGregor got out of the business). Another thing I noticed on HelmetHut - Washington then had a Kelley with the curved feather while everyone else went back to the straight feather logo becuase Kelley was just behind on getting decals.

The same thing is going on with the initial photos of Norm Bulach on this thread - his helmet is a MacGregor/Kelley and, since it is a clear shell, must have had the old logo put on it.

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Giants at Cleveland 10/1/50

Post  bigbluelarry on Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:52 pm

I scanned this one from my library - three HOF'ers in this pic: Emlen Tunnel, Tom Landry and Dante Lavelli.

The oddity is Tunnell, who is wearing his old leather helmet from 1948 (Landry is wearing the plastic helmet the Giants switched to in 1949.)



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TV numbers on Jamie Mueller's jersey

Post  Market42 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:23 pm

Noticed something interesting while watching the 1988 Bills highlight film. Apparently, FB Jamie Mueller appears to be the only player on the team to have the "TV numbers" on the shoulder pads (vs. the sleeves).

Also interesting is that it appears this was only on the home jerseys during the regular season (shot of Mueller in the AFC Championship loss to Cincinnati and the Divisional win vs. Houston shows the TV numbers in the regular position).

(Mueller's home jersey [slightly blurred])

(Mueller's home jersey [playoffs])

(Mueller road jersey)

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Different #7 on John Elway

Post  Market42 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:04 pm

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/quarterback-john-elway-of-the-denver-broncos-during-a-game-news-photo/73632366
Another interesting example is from what ended up becoming the Super Bowl XXI preview (Giants vs. Broncos; 11-23-86). It looks like John Elway is wearing a jersey missing a serif on the #7 (not much different from the Champion-style jerseys).

To my knowledge, this is the only time Elway wore a jersey with a different number design than the other Broncos.

EDIT - Just ran across a picture confirming Elway was wearing a Champion jersey
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/quarterback-john-elway-of-the-denver-broncos-throws-a-pass-news-photo/150848831


Last edited by Market42 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:21 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : Replaced with better picture; found another one confirming a Champion jersey)

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  bigbluelarry on Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:18 pm

Jim Taylor wore a helmet with inverted stripe pattern for most of the 1967 season.





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49er Jimmie Johnson

Post  Bill Schaefer on Tue May 27, 2014 12:12 pm

This photo, likely from Week 14 of 1964 since the Lions went to the darker shade of blue for 1965, features 49er Jimmy Johnson wearing an over-the-shoulder striped jersey from San Francisco's 1959-63 collection amid his teammates wearing the new 3-stripe version.
(Provided to Uniwatch on 5/27/14 by Tom Farley.)

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgyWDc3Mg==/z/wU4AAOxyeglTa9qq/$_57.JPG
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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  Market42 on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:35 pm

Bill Schaefer wrote:This photo, likely from Week 14 of 1964 since the Lions went to the darker shade of blue for 1965, features 49er Jimmy Johnson wearing an over-the-shoulder striped jersey from San Francisco's 1959-63 collection amid his teammates wearing the new 3-stripe version.
(Provided to Uniwatch on 5/27/14 by Tom Farley.)

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgyWDc3Mg==/z/wU4AAOxyeglTa9qq/$_57.JPG

I'm just wondering how the equipment manager missed Johnson wearing an out of date jersey that looked that much different from the then-current version (as opposed to the Kent Hull pants example where one would almost have to look for the different pattern to spot it).

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  bigbluelarry on Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:03 pm

San Francisco @ Green Bay 11/18/56

Hugh McElhenny (running with the ball) is wearing his 1955 pants.
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Steve Luke

Post  Market42 on Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:22 pm

Ran across a YouTube upload of the Minnesota Vikings' Week 11 game vs. the Green Bay Packers in 1977; and a shot of the Packers just before the opening kickoff shows defensive back Steve Luke's jersey is missing the normal stripes

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  bigbluelarry on Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:35 pm

Philadelphia at Dallas 11/17/63 - Eagles player has a wingless helmet.

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Post  BD Sullivan on Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:09 pm

The wingless player #82 is George Tarasovic, who had been picked up on waivers from the Steelers about 10 days earlier. That seems like plenty of time to get his full uniform ready, but obviously the Philly equipment people missed the memo.

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  bigbluelarry on Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:34 pm

Another Buffalo Bill (not Kent Hull, possibly #59 Mitch Frerotte?) wearing old pants.
Houston @ Buffalo AFC Wild Card Playoff 1/3/93
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Post  Market42 on Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:20 pm

bigbluelarry wrote:Another Buffalo Bill (not Kent Hull, possibly #59 Mitch Frerotte?) wearing old pants.
Houston @ Buffalo AFC Wild Card Playoff 1/3/93

I would think that was Mitch Frerotte. Also noticed (much like the Super Bowl XXVII where someone noticed Hull's old pants and I noted Jim Kelly's Apex jersey) Frank Reich and possibly Steve Christie wore Apex jerseys here instead of the Champion jerseys

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  bigbluelarry on Thu May 21, 2015 9:27 pm

Craig Morton is missing his "NFL 50" patch
Dallas at Cleveland 11/2/69
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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  dolphingator1 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:22 am

Not sure if this has been caught already, but...

contrary to the absolute set-in-stone canon of Dolphin uniform history, we have... drumroll please... SLEEVE STRIPES in 1970 Preseason!!! This has to be a case where someone wanted to make due with what they had. These would have had to be the non-meshed jerseys from 1966-69.



#53  




#59 (Doug Swift)

I was shocked to see this in my searching today. I had extremely little personal documentation for the crazy-quilt mishmash of 1970 Dolphin uniforms.

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  Bill Schaefer on Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:42 am

Thanks. If you click over to the "NFL Preseason" portion of the Forum, there is a thread that we started regarding the location of photos for every preseason game for the purpose of trying to find those pesky 'preseason only' uniform combos.

With the merger taking place prior to the start of the 1970 season, our own Timmy B began the process by starting with the seasons in the 2000s and slowly working back towards 1970. The fruits of our labors will be added in as soon as we finish updating each of the teams in a really BIG way - check the most recent blog entry!

1970 was a 'banner' year for 'preseason only' combinations. In addition to what already exists in the site, Tim has located more 'unique to preseason' combinations for the Jets, Raiders, Saints, Lions, Broncos, Rams, Redskins, Patriots, and yes...the Dolphins for the exact reason you just pointed out. Of note, it would be almost impossible to tell on B/W photos but the Dolphins updated their shade of aqua going from 1969 to 1970 with the 1970 version being slightly lighter/brighter than the 1969 variety. As you stated the non-striped jersey was what they wore throughout the 1970 season so the striped version would not have been made in the new shade of aqua. It is extremely likely that both shades of aqua would have been worn in these preseason games.

The 3rd posting in that Preseason photo thread contains a list of preseason games we have yet to uncover a photograph from. Any help that can be lent in that direction would be greatly appreciated.
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Couple More Oddities

Post  Market42 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:43 pm

Found a few more oddities. First, Oakland cornerback Henry Williams' jersey had a serif nameplate for at least part of the 1979 season (as seen in this screen grab from the 1979 Monday Night game vs. New Orleans)


Was just watching an upload of the 1990 NFL Films project Big Plays, Best Shots and Belly Shots of 1989 Season (which my dad apparently recorded part of a slightly different version off an airing on my local CBS affiliate in September 1990 and which I just ran across today {this was one of those projects I was wondering what it was}); and Packer offensive tackle Ken Ruettgers at some point was still wearing the 1984-88 jersey with the Packer logo on the sleeve

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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  BD Sullivan on Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:10 pm

I happened to see the Week 10 Game of the Week from 1967 between the Steelers and Giants. Approximately 1:40 into the video, the Steelers are in the process of trying a field goal. The oddity stems from the fact that the Pittsburgh holder, Dick Hoak, has no face mask.

The supposed two previous references to the "last player to play without a face mask" were Tommy McDonald (year?) and Garo Yepremian (1966), yet nothing on Hoak.


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Re: POST YOUR ODDITIES!

Post  bigbluelarry on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:44 pm

From Week 3 this season - Kirk Cousins sock stripes are upside down.

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